RicRod - second year jump?

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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby flapackfan » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:34 pm

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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby OldPackerFan » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:55 pm

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OldPackerFan wrote:The basic problem is that servicable players don't win super bowls. Blues and Reds do. But our Blue WR is on IR and our Red WR is getting doubled. We need another Red receiver at either WR or TE and Rodgers isn't that player.


We aren't sure yet but could Adams become a red?


He might, but probably not this year. But the idea that Jones is a Red is laughable.

Does Vernon Davis have anything left? Age should be OK at 31 and even if he has lost a step he had speed to burn. The problem is that he is a 49'er and it would take a 7 mil cap hit to trade for him, plus whatever SF would take. He was hurt most of last year and now Cap can't hit the broad side of a barn so its hard to evaluate him
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Jim T » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:12 pm

OldPackerFan wrote:
Pugger wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:The basic problem is that servicable players don't win super bowls. Blues and Reds do. But our Blue WR is on IR and our Red WR is getting doubled. We need another Red receiver at either WR or TE and Rodgers isn't that player.


We aren't sure yet but could Adams become a red?


He might, but probably not this year. But the idea that Jones is a Red is laughable.

Does Vernon Davis have anything left? Age should be OK at 31 and even if he has lost a step he had speed to burn. The problem is that he is a 49'er and it would take a 7 mil cap hit to trade for him, plus whatever SF would take. He was hurt most of last year and now Cap can't hit the broad side of a barn so its hard to evaluate him



Jones is leading the team and tied in the league with 6 TDs.

Jones leads the league in yards per catch for all receivers with 20 or more cathes.

Is tied for 4th with most 20+ yard catches

Stats aside he's stabilized the receiving corps for one of the best teams in the league.

It isn't laughable to call him red.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Pckfn23 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:16 pm

It is only laughable to OPF. He hates Jones for some unknown reason.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby yoop » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:17 pm

OldPackerFan wrote:
Pckfn23 wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:The basic problem is that servicable players don't win super bowls. Blues and Reds do. But our Blue WR is on IR and our Red WR is getting doubled. We need another Red receiver at either WR or TE and Rodgers isn't that player.

Every Super Bowl winning team does it with serviceable players that play a significant role.

We have 2 red receivers at WR, FYI. One of whom has been injured the entirety of this season, which has played a significant role in his lack of production. We have another receiver that we were planning on playing a significant role, but has been sidelined by injury thus far.

Injuries are the "issue" here, not talent.


"Every Super Bowl winning team does it with serviceable players that play a significant role."
Technically true, but receiver is a big position and 1 red and 4 servicable players does not get it done.
Cobb - Red
Adams - Serviceable
Rodgers - Serviceable
Jones - Serviceable
Quarless - injured - serviceable
Monty, Janis, Backman, Perillo - unproven

Jordy is a Blue but he will not play a single snap in the regular or postseason so he does not count in any case.


no sale, Cobb is a blue player, he's among the best as a slot receiver, do you seriously think Ted would pay a red 9 mil per? of course he wouldn't.

and both Jones and Adams are Reds, we've seen both take over games, players that are able to do that are reds, our problems are we don't have enough Reds and Blues healthy at one time.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby OldPackerFan » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:54 pm

Jim T wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:
Pugger wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:The basic problem is that servicable players don't win super bowls. Blues and Reds do. But our Blue WR is on IR and our Red WR is getting doubled. We need another Red receiver at either WR or TE and Rodgers isn't that player.


We aren't sure yet but could Adams become a red?


He might, but probably not this year. But the idea that Jones is a Red is laughable.

Does Vernon Davis have anything left? Age should be OK at 31 and even if he has lost a step he had speed to burn. The problem is that he is a 49'er and it would take a 7 mil cap hit to trade for him, plus whatever SF would take. He was hurt most of last year and now Cap can't hit the broad side of a barn so its hard to evaluate him



Jones is leading the team and tied in the league with 6 TDs.

Jones leads the league in yards per catch for all receivers with 20 or more cathes.

Is tied for 4th with most 20+ yard catches

Stats aside he's stabilized the receiving corps for one of the best teams in the league.

It isn't laughable to call him red.


Jones is making catches because the other teams are single covering him with a safety. And because Aaron Rodgers is able to do what no other QB in the league can do.

Sorry, but Red players do not get paid veteran's minimum and still get cut. TT may be a genius but signing a Red player to a veteran's minimum contract with no bonus would be comparable to winning PowerBall alone. Twice.

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Sorry, but Cobb is a red. He is not a top 5 receiver.

As of the end of last season, these 5 are the blues in the league. Notice Jordy at #4. Sorry, but Cobb is good but he is not that good.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-t ... -receivers

And no way that Jones is a top 10 receiver in the league. As of the end of last season, Cobb was rated #10. You guys are saying that Jones is better this year than Cobb was last year? Laughable.

Did I say veteran's minimum? :P Did I say that he was cut TWICE this season?
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby HeavyD » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:01 pm

I love James Jones. I am glad we have him.

He is a product of the QB and damn good hands.

He is a Green according to NFL personnel executive. In the pecking order of Blue, Red, Purple then Green, very replaceable in most situations.

If Jordy doesn't get hurt, JJ is at home.

It is what it is.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Jim T » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:06 pm

I don't give a rip what color he is, how many times he's been cut or what he did the last year while on some other team. When he's on this roster he is a very valuable player and is a perfect fit for this offense and Rodgers.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Papa John » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:17 pm

Packers receivers are more like rainbows; it's a special occasion when you actually see them open. Good thing AR can thread the needle.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Cdragon » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:23 pm

JJ is rated as the #2 receiver at Footballoutsiders. Must be doing something right.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby yoop » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:27 pm

I wonder if we could get more teams to cover Jones with a safety :lol: I like that match up, 6 games, 6 TD's = 19 games 19 TD's, I wonder if that would make him a bonifide red player :munch
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby APB » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:47 am

OldPackerFan wrote:The problem is that he (Vernon Davis) is a 49'er and it would take a 7 mil cap hit to trade for him, plus whatever SF would take. He was hurt most of last year and now Cap can't hit the broad side of a barn so its hard to evaluate him

Davis' cap hit to any team that acquires him (hypothetically) would only be $2.175 mil. His signing bonus and roster/workout bonus money has already been paid. All a team would need to pay is his base pay prorated over the final eight games.

Not saying that's cheap, especially since he'd be a FA after the year, but it's palatable if you really need a TE.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby wallyuwl » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:24 am

Jim T wrote:I don't give a rip what color he is, how many times he's been cut or what he did the last year while on some other team. When he's on this roster he is a very valuable player and is a perfect fit for this offense and Rodgers.


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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby Pugger » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:52 pm

OldPackerFan wrote:
Jim T wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:
Pugger wrote:
OldPackerFan wrote:The basic problem is that servicable players don't win super bowls. Blues and Reds do. But our Blue WR is on IR and our Red WR is getting doubled. We need another Red receiver at either WR or TE and Rodgers isn't that player.


We aren't sure yet but could Adams become a red?


He might, but probably not this year. But the idea that Jones is a Red is laughable.

Does Vernon Davis have anything left? Age should be OK at 31 and even if he has lost a step he had speed to burn. The problem is that he is a 49'er and it would take a 7 mil cap hit to trade for him, plus whatever SF would take. He was hurt most of last year and now Cap can't hit the broad side of a barn so its hard to evaluate him



Jones is leading the team and tied in the league with 6 TDs.

Jones leads the league in yards per catch for all receivers with 20 or more cathes.

Is tied for 4th with most 20+ yard catches

Stats aside he's stabilized the receiving corps for one of the best teams in the league.

It isn't laughable to call him red.


Jones is making catches because the other teams are single covering him with a safety. And because Aaron Rodgers is able to do what no other QB in the league can do.

Sorry, but Red players do not get paid veteran's minimum and still get cut. TT may be a genius but signing a Red player to a veteran's minimum contract with no bonus would be comparable to winning PowerBall alone. Twice.

Definition of a blue-chip player
» Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game
» Is a premier player in the league and a weapon on the field
» Combines competitiveness and skill to have a consistent championship-level performance
» Rates in the top five at his position in the league

Definition of a red-chip player
» Player has abilities that can create mismatches vs. most opponents in the league
» Is a featured player on the team and has impact on the outcome of the game
» Player can't be taken out of the game in one-on-one matchup
» Has a consistent level of performance each week
» Plays at a championship level performance


» Rates in the top 10 at his position in the league

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Sorry, but Cobb is a red. He is not a top 5 receiver.

As of the end of last season, these 5 are the blues in the league. Notice Jordy at #4. Sorry, but Cobb is good but he is not that good.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-t ... -receivers

And no way that Jones is a top 10 receiver in the league. As of the end of last season, Cobb was rated #10. You guys are saying that Jones is better this year than Cobb was last year? Laughable.

Did I say veteran's minimum? :P Did I say that he was cut TWICE this season?


Cobb is a top 5 slot WR. He was never considered our #1 guy. That guy is on IR.
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Re: RicRod - second year jump?

Postby HeavyD » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:26 pm

If JJ is really a red, TT will sign him to another one-year vet deal or another GM may offer more.

If he is a green, TT won't.

Time will tell.

In the meantime, RicRod had 2 catches last week for 35 yards.
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