Mueller FBI Probe

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How does Trump's first term end?

Poll ended at Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:44 am

Finishes term, wins reelection (Do not select another option)
5
63%
Finishes term, loses reelection (Do not select another option)
0
No votes
Finishes term, forgoes reelection (Do not select another option)
1
13%
Does not finish term (Please select one more option from below)
1
13%
Removed through office by Impeachment
0
No votes
Tenders resignation
1
13%
Cabinet invokes 25th Amendment
0
No votes
Dies of natural/health-related causes
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No votes
Assassinated in office
0
No votes
No vote/other (please specify in a post)/forfeited -- reveal poll results
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Total votes : 8

Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby dirty sanchez » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:15 pm

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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby texas » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:59 am

Will this be the story that finally makes the leftists realize that the whole thing is a kangaroo court farce?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/ ... index.html

A former top counterintelligence expert at the FBI, now at the center of a political uproar for exchanging private messages that appeared to mock President Donald Trump, changed a key phrase in former FBI Director James Comey's description of how former secretary of state Hillary Clinton handled classified information, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.
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Re: Russiagate

Postby raptorman » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:57 am

APB wrote:
wallyuwl wrote:Are we really to believe the conclusions of charges peddled by Mueller, who has massive conflicts of interest regarding Russia that we have found out about over the past few weeks, and his team that is largely made up of Democratic donors (and no Republican ones)?

These are not Mueller's conclusions, they are the grand jury's conclusions. They surmised, after listening to testimony and evidence presented, that a crime was committed and that the named were likely the perpetrators of the crime.

One must remember that only evidence from one side is presented in a grand jury. They are not saying that crime was committed by that the evidence provided to them shows a likelihood that crime was committed.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby wallyuwl » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:00 am

texas wrote:Will this be the story that finally makes the leftists realize that the whole thing is a kangaroo court farce?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/ ... index.html

A former top counterintelligence expert at the FBI, now at the center of a political uproar for exchanging private messages that appeared to mock President Donald Trump, changed a key phrase in former FBI Director James Comey's description of how former secretary of state Hillary Clinton handled classified information, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.

Uh oh. But those paying attention already knew muellers team was a scummy house of cards of democratic donors. But shocked the fake clinton news network ran the story.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby mike » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:05 am

texas wrote:Will this be the story that finally makes the leftists realize that the whole thing is a kangaroo court farce?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/ ... index.html

A former top counterintelligence expert at the FBI, now at the center of a political uproar for exchanging private messages that appeared to mock President Donald Trump, changed a key phrase in former FBI Director James Comey's description of how former secretary of state Hillary Clinton handled classified information, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.


doubtful, the left seems to have excepted Hillary was just as big a crook as the boys, and would use any means just like Trump to avoid prosecution, most human beings :wink: believe Trump calluded with Russia, but just like with Hillary it's very hard to prove, though both are running out of fall guys, just look how long it took to impeach Nixon, and the aligations against Trump are much bigger, and will be harder to prove, till people start going to jail people will cover for Trump, the same as they did for Nixon, these people are above the law till there nuts are in a vice, even then if the pay off is big enough they'll keep quiet and take the consequinces, which often ends up a pardon or short sentence and a book deal and there set for life, the only loser in all this is WE the people.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby Charon21 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:21 am

texas wrote:Will this be the story that finally makes the leftists realize that the whole thing is a kangaroo court farce?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/ ... index.html

A former top counterintelligence expert at the FBI, now at the center of a political uproar for exchanging private messages that appeared to mock President Donald Trump, changed a key phrase in former FBI Director James Comey's description of how former secretary of state Hillary Clinton handled classified information, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.



There are lots of people in more progressive spheres on the Left, like Jimmy Dore and Michael Tracey, that share the Right's view on this subject that this is a nothing issue, just the neoliberal establishment trying to cover for their election loss and avoid reform.

I may have been with them at first, and still agree to some extent, but no longer think this is a nothing issue. It's becoming more and more clear that the Trump team was working with Russia in ways that were legally out-of-bounds. It's part of a bigger issue where politicians are putting foreign and corporate interests ahead of the country's because our system is quite flatly broken.

It's hard to get as worked up about Russian interests as Big Pharma or Saudi Arabia interests, but it still needs to stop going unpunished. Hopefully it will set a precedent. Regardless, Trump is not the solution to said issue. He's every bit as corrupt as the next politician (just read that 6,000 lobbyists helped write his tax bill).
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby wallyuwl » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:45 pm

Charon21 wrote:It's becoming more and more clear that the Trump team was working with Russia in ways that were legally out-of-bounds. It's part of a bigger issue where politicians are putting foreign and corporate interests ahead of the country's because our system is quite flatly broken.


But what laws were broken? It is not illegal for the transition team to talk to foreign governments, post-election.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby Charon21 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:22 pm

wallyuwl wrote:
Charon21 wrote:It's becoming more and more clear that the Trump team was working with Russia in ways that were legally out-of-bounds. It's part of a bigger issue where politicians are putting foreign and corporate interests ahead of the country's because our system is quite flatly broken.


But what laws were broken? It is not illegal for the transition team to talk to foreign governments, post-election.


The Logan Act, in that instance. And honestly, that's the least of what's scummy about Flynn. He took money from Turkey and did their bidding by telling Obama not to authorize missions against ISIS. Yeah, the guy who harped on getting tough about "radical Islam" on the campaign trail for DJT eased off on ISIS because of money -- let that sink in.

That was probably a bigger deal than lying to the FBI. I'm honestly a bit disappointed that Flynn & Son will get off with light jail time with this plea.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby raptorman » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:14 am

Charon21 wrote:
wallyuwl wrote:
Charon21 wrote:It's becoming more and more clear that the Trump team was working with Russia in ways that were legally out-of-bounds. It's part of a bigger issue where politicians are putting foreign and corporate interests ahead of the country's because our system is quite flatly broken.


But what laws were broken? It is not illegal for the transition team to talk to foreign governments, post-election.


The Logan Act, in that instance. And honestly, that's the least of what's scummy about Flynn. He took money from Turkey and did their bidding by telling Obama not to authorize missions against ISIS. Yeah, the guy who harped on getting tough about "radical Islam" on the campaign trail for DJT eased off on ISIS because of money -- let that sink in.

That was probably a bigger deal than lying to the FBI. I'm honestly a bit disappointed that Flynn & Son will get off with light jail time with this plea.
You do realize that no one has been prosecuted by the Logan Act since 1852? And what Flynn did after the election was not a violation of it.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby Charon21 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:39 pm

Trump's bank records subpoenaed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... by-mueller

White House denies this (lol).

This is a moment-of-truth, IMO. We'll find out soon if there was anything to this investigation or not.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby BF004 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:35 am

Charon21 wrote:Trump's bank records subpoenaed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... by-mueller

White House denies this (lol).

This is a moment-of-truth, IMO. We'll find out soon if there was anything to this investigation or not.

Thank god, one of the most boring, over the top reported things ever.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby wallyuwl » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:40 am

BF004 wrote:
Charon21 wrote:Trump's bank records subpoenaed: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... by-mueller

White House denies this (lol).

This is a moment-of-truth, IMO. We'll find out soon if there was anything to this investigation or not.

Thank god, one of the most boring, over the top reported things ever.


Considering all the fake news over the past year, that is saying something.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby wallyuwl » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:50 pm

Uh oh. Looks like there is more to this dossier thing. Mueller looks like a... well mule (I'll use the nice word) for not vetting his team of Democrats.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12 ... ssier.html
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby Trudge » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am

13 Russians and 3 establishments indicted today with more to come in the following weeks. Guess the 20 hours with Bannon paid off a bit. Could get interesting soon.
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Re: Mueller FBI Probe

Postby APB » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:03 pm

Trudge wrote:13 Russians and 3 establishments indicted today with more to come in the following weeks. Guess the 20 hours with Bannon paid off a bit. Could get interesting soon.

Under what pretense are you tying the Bannon interview to this indictment?

Here is the indictment for those wishing to read it without the spin from your news source of choice.

Nowhere in the indictment are there allegations of collusion or contact between Bannon or any other senior member of the Trump campaign. The only direct contact alleged between any facet of the Trump campaign and these Russian agitators was between local grassroots organizers and Russian provocateurs posing as Americans. Far, far from the over-arching conspiracy allegations that have been raging for the past 18 months.

It’s clear this operation was meant to sow discord and chaos into our political process. It obviously saw some success. The meddling appears to have focused on dinigrating Clinton and promoting Trump and Sanders as they were the two candidates the Russians viewed as capable of creating the greatest disruption within American politics. That said, efforts were also made to undermine every candidate, to include Trump.

So again, where is the Bannon tie-in? Where is the collusion?
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