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Re: Obamacare

Postby incognito_man » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:04 am

raptorman wrote:Interesting article about the Affordable care tax act. Turns out that after all the crap, a greater percentage of Americans don't have insurance today as compared to when Obama took office.


In 2008, when George W. "Just Blame Me For Everything" Bush was still in office, we only had 14.4 percent of the population uninsured. Today, after five-plus years of Obama policies capped off by the implementation of ObamaCare, we're at 15.6 percent. It's higher now. After everything the Democrats have put us through, after shoving ObamaCare down our throats, after the web site failures, the delays, the on-the-fly rule changes, the threats of fines . . . after everything, the percentage of people uninsured is higher now than it was when Bush was in the White House and Obama was campaigning for the job.




http://static.caintvnetwork.com/6c46145 ... pchart.png


here's an update to that:

the percentage of uninsured Americans dropped from 18 in September 2013 to 13.4 in June 2014. States that chose to follow the health law's provisions most closely, by both expanding Medicaid and establishing their own health insurance marketplaces, saw their uninsured rate drop nearly twice as much (as a group) as states that declined those opportunities.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/174290/arkan ... -rate.aspx
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Re: Obamacare

Postby GreenDay » Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:01 pm

Yeah, you gotta be happy that so many more are enrolled in medicaid, because doctors are taking as many medicaid patients as they can, since the reimbursements are off the charts lucrative. Must be why ER visits are even higher now. Problem solved as they say.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby incognito_man » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:08 am

GreenDay wrote:Yeah, you gotta be happy that so many more are enrolled in medicaid, because doctors are taking as many medicaid patients as they can, since the reimbursements are off the charts lucrative. Must be why ER visits are even higher now. Problem solved as they say.


Post hoc ergo propter hoc

One must realize ER visit have been constantly increasing already not to mention seasonal variation. Fact is, no conclusions can be drawn about ER visits yet. To attempt to do is futile.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby wallyuwl » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:58 am

incognito_man wrote:
GreenDay wrote:Yeah, you gotta be happy that so many more are enrolled in medicaid, because doctors are taking as many medicaid patients as they can, since the reimbursements are off the charts lucrative. Must be why ER visits are even higher now. Problem solved as they say.


One must realize ER visit have been constantly increasing already not to mention seasonal variation. Fact is, no conclusions can be drawn about ER visits yet. To attempt to do is futile.


But we were told that ER visits would go way down because now people wouldn't' be using the ER as their primary care physician.

Conclusions? Maybe not. But preliminary observations that deserve to be analyzed? Absolutely.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby incognito_man » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:16 am

wallyuwl wrote:
But we were told that ER visits would go way down because now people wouldn't' be using the ER as their primary care physician.

Conclusions? Maybe not. But preliminary observations that deserve to be analyzed? Absolutely.


I agree that early indications (including the Harvard Oregon study) lead one to believe ER visits aren't likely to go down necessarily (and my increase, perhaps significantly). We are not at a point to look at the national effects yet though. That is my point.

If i had to guess, though, I suspect the claim that ER visit will go down is probably not accurate (at least in the short term). Long term? TBD.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby BF004 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:54 pm



Not really providing any solutions, but providing more of a non-partisan, fact based, approach to the problem, which I always find refreshing.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby flapackfan » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:46 pm

A little check up for the health of Obamacare

From the Des Moines Register:



The federal government could be out more than $140 million by the time a defunct Iowa health-insurance cooperative's finances are settled, a new court filing suggests.

CoOportunity Health, which was created under the Affordable Care Act, went belly up last December after losing millions of dollars. Its financing included $147 million in loans from the federal government. That money was used to launch the company in 2012 and then to keep it afloat as it sold health-insurance policies to about 110,000 people in Iowa and Nebraska.

A lawyer overseeing the unwinding of the company filed a "status report" in Polk County District Court Friday. The report estimates the company currently has more than $282 million in liabilities and less than $109 million in assets.

The lawyer, Dan Watkins, said Monday that the outcome of the case depends heavily on how much money CoOportunity gains from a program that was supposed to help insurers recoup extra costs for taking on customers with extensive health-care needs. The "risk-corridor" program was supposed to collect money from insurers with relatively low-risk customers and transfer it to insurers with high-risk customers. CoOportunity is owed about $124 million out of that fund, said Watkins, a Kansas specialist hired by the Iowa insurance commissioner. But, he said, that money isn't being counted as an asset yet, because it isn't clear how much of it will actually be paid out.

Watkins noted that Congress voted to prevent any use of public money in the risk-corridor program. It must be financed solely by fees paid by insurers, and there apparently aren't enough of those to pay the whole tab, he said. Watkins said Iowa officials should learn in about a month how much will be coming from the program to help pay CoOportunity's debts. He's seen estimates that only about 10 percent of the money expected nationally will be paid out this year.

CoOportunity was one of 23 health insurance co-ops set up under the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. It was the first to fail. Louisiana's version announced last month that it would go out of business after this year. A report by federal investigators last month found that most of the other co-ops also have lost money.

The federal government is not first in line to receive money from CoOportunity's liquidation, which is similar to a bankruptcy. At the front of the line are the people and firms who are settling the situation, including state-mandated "guaranty associations," which have covered medical bills for CoOportunity's former members. The administrative charges will reach several million dollars. After that expense will come reimbursement of the guaranty associations for $109 million in payments they made to doctors and hospitals. These payments were financed by the insurance industry in Iowa and Nebraska.

Watkins said he believes that CoOportunity will bring in about $97 million this year, even without the "risk-corridor" money. The money in hand would mostly pay back the guaranty associations, he said. It wouldn't begin to pay back the federal loans.

The company's debts also include $3.6 million in commissions owed to insurance agents who sold CoOportunity policies. Watkins said it's not clear yet what place the agents would stand in the line of creditors. The good news, he said, is that doctors, clinics, hospitals and other health-care providers have been paid for their care of former CoOportunity members. The situation's main financial cost to the members was that some of them had to start paying down 2015 deductibles for their CoOportunity policies in January, then start over on new deductibles for replacement policies from other carriers when they switched in February or later.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen prove that they are insured, but doesn't require every person to prove they are a citizen. Many who can't prove they are citizens will receive free insurance from those that are citizens.
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Re: Obamacare

Postby BF004 » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:47 pm

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Wasn't sure where else to put this, so the Otaxacare thread is probably most fitting, just thought it was funny.
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