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9/11

Postby raptorman » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:45 pm

You can fly planes into them, kill our people, hate our guts. But we will rebuild, we will fight back, we will not go peacefully.

One World Trade Center. 1776 feet tall.

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Re: 9/11

Postby get louder at lambeau » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:18 pm

An American kamikaze mission to take down the fourth plane-
http://news.yahoo.com/american-f-16-pil ... 15167.html
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Re: 9/11

Postby raptorman » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:27 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:An American kamikaze mission to take down the fourth plane-
http://news.yahoo.com/american-f-16-pil ... 15167.html

That is the ANG unit I belonged to for 18 years. We knew about this right after it happened. We had fighters coming back from a training mission when the plane hit the Pentagon. They were actually the first fighter over the area at the time. If you pay close attention to the news footage from right after you can see a F-16 with the tail letters DC fly by in the background. Although they were un-armed at the time they were ready to stop another aircraft if need be. About 20 minutes later the fighters on guard duty at Langley AFB showed up and our guys landed. They of course had live ammo and missiles. They were F-16's from the ND Air guard and if you ever see the painting inside the pentagon of the event it is their aircraft depicted with slogan about being first. We just laughed because we knew the truth. BTW there are not 2 fighters ready, there are 3, 2 and a spare.


But, this is a great story.
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Re: 9/11

Postby get louder at lambeau » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:00 pm

So, why didn't this attack get stopped?

A eye-opening new look into what the Government knew before the attack happened, complete with an interview of an FBI whistleblower-
http://rt.com/shows/breaking-set-summar ... ptember11/
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Re: 9/11

Postby JustJeff » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:41 pm

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Re: 9/11

Postby Trudge » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:55 pm

For more than eleven years, Israel has been wildly celebrating the success of its 9/11 operation against the United States of America. The latest example: Israeli children recently dressed up as the burning Twin Towers, complete with impaled exploding airplanes, to celebrate the bizarre Jewish holiday known as Purim.


http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/03/0 ... 11attacks/
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Re: 9/11

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:59 am

Re: Palestinians celebrating -

If there was an attack on a rich, almost untouchable, sole world super power who provided money, weapons, and political cover to a discriminatory regime that stole your land, and impoverished, oppressed, killed, and imprisoned your people for generations, how would you react?

Honestly? How would you? Imagine that your mom, your dad, your grandparents, your children, and all your other relatives lived and died in poverty under an apartheid state without equal rights in a land controlled by another religious/ethnic group. Would you be so noble as to be sad when those who you see as enabling your people's oppressor are attacked?

The Palestinian people in that video didn't attack us. None of the hijackers or al Quaeda leaders were Palestinians. They live in a concentration camp that our morally bankrupt, financially corrupted political system enables and subsidizes. A concentration camp that was just devastated with American provided missiles in war crimes that our country continuously blocks from standard prosecution. I'm sure the surviving Jews in Auschwitz celebrated if/when they found out Berlin was being bombed too. Native Americans who survived the Trail of Tears probably celebrated in their reservations if/when they heard about Americans being killed at the Alamo. Nothing surprising about that. Do evil things to people and you will probably not enjoy their sympathy when evil things are done to you. That's universal, common sense stuff, not some insidious, Muslim-specific trait.

Right now, Muslims as a general group are being branded as "terrorists", and images of Muslim extremist militants cutting off the heads of white victims are being shown on the news to support the idea. Pretty convincing! Barbaric, evil stuff! Unquestionably atrocities.

This is being used as justification for our an escalation in our continuing series of wars in their territory. They are ALL a bunch of violent, stone-age, subhuman "terrorists", we are lead to believe. "SEE! Palestinians are celebrating the 9/11 attacks! That ISIS guy cut off the innocent white guy's head!" That PROVES that ALL Muslims are bad, and not worthy of even basic human rights!" That seems to be the insinuation, anyway. "No need to feel bad for the hundreds of children being slaughtered in Gaza! They are MUSLIMS! Baby terrorists! Kill em all! Go America!" That's how some Americans (not to mention Israelis) actually think.

Meanwhile, racist white settlers from Europe, "given" the land by other white European Imperialists, are engaged in a coordinated theft the land of the indigenous people, killing, ruling, and oppressing them in one area while other predominantly white countries wage decades-long war against the brown natives in other areas.

Rewind about 200 years, and we were doing the same damn thing on this side of the world, and it ended in what could be described as genocide. The indigenous people were labeled "terrorists" er, I mean "savages" and white European settlers were horrified by pictures of Natives scalping white people in the newspapers. Pretty convincing! Barbaric, evil stuff! Unquestionably atrocities.

This was used as justification for our continuing series of wars in their territory. They are ALL a bunch of violent, stone-age, subhuman "terrorists", we were lead to believe. "SEE! The Indians are dancing around whooping and celebrating after attacking innocent white people! They cut off the top of the innocent white guy's head! Let's wipe out their main food source, bison, take all their land, massacre those who resist, and give the survivors disease-infected blankets! No need to feel bad for the children being slaughtered in the Indian villages! They are INDIANS! Baby savages! Kill em all! Go America!"

Two hundred years later, we should be better than to repeat this. The similarities are astounding.

There are innocent civilian moderates AND horrible, war-mongering extremists on both sides. The response to every problem is not "Let's kick it's ass!" Like the war on drugs, the war on terrorism is only making things worse, because we are going too far. The war on drugs made hippies into criminals. They hated Nixon because he persecuted them. The war on terror is making civilians into terrorists. They hate us because we kill them and enable their oppressors. Enough is enough.
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Re: 9/11

Postby JustJeff » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:33 pm

Trudge wrote:
For more than eleven years, Israel has been wildly celebrating the success of its 9/11 operation against the United States of America. The latest example: Israeli children recently dressed up as the burning Twin Towers, complete with impaled exploding airplanes, to celebrate the bizarre Jewish holiday known as Purim.


http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/03/0 ... 11attacks/

That site is a totally absurdity. I was looking for the Onion logo.

Here are other headlines from that site:
*US war on ISIL: Barrel of volatile lies
*Obama’s empty words
*Madness has descended on US govt
*2 US warplanes crash in Pacific Ocean
* 9/11 was ‘massive deception, hoax’

Google “Operation Esther” and Benjamin Netanyahu and the only reference that will come up is an echo from that article. Dr. Kevin Barrett, a Ph.D. Arabist-Islamologist, offers NO SUBSTANTIATION whatsoever for anything that he says.

Same thing with the photo... that photo is all over the net, but not without accompanying that article.
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Re: 9/11

Postby APB » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:46 pm

^^Yup^^

I thought the same thing. I quit reading after a few paragraphs when I realized I was on the political "National Enquirer" site.
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Re: 9/11

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:51 pm

JustJeff wrote:That site is a totally absurdity.


No idea how far over the top that site or their theory really is, but the website itself isn't the issue. There is at least SOME truth in there, and there are a LOT of questions that are unanswered about 9/11. Netanyahu HAS said 9/11 was good for Israel more than once. That part is absolutely real. The first words out of his mouth when asked about the effect of the attacks on Israel was "It's very good." Here you go, from some well-respected sources-

Here is Netanyahu's comment from the day of the attacks, from The New York Times, published on Sept. 11, 2001-

Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' Then he edited himself: ''Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.'' He predicted that the attack would ''strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we've experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.''


http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/da ... loser.html

And here, again, years later, from Israel's oldest newspaper -

The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."


http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-neta ... l-1.244044

Cui bono? Who benefits?

Definition of CUI BONO

1 : a principle that probable responsibility for an act or event lies with one having something to gain


Who benefitted? According to Netanyahu, Israel did.

Sounds pretty far-fetched to think that Israel would actually have agents pretend to be Muslims while bombing an American building in a false flag terrorist attack intended to manipulate American policy, though, right? Yeah, it really does. But the crazy thing is that it wouldn't be the first time. They have actually done EXACTLY THAT before - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

There are a LOT of unanswered questions about the 9/11 attacks.
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Re: 9/11

Postby yoop » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:59 pm

the twin tower attacks put more focus on terrorism world wide, and brought more sympathy to the plight Isreal has had to deal with for many years, as well as other country's who have dealt with terrorism.
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Re: 9/11

Postby GreenDay » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:17 pm

yoop wrote:the twin tower attacks put more focus on terrorism world wide, and brought more sympathy to the plight Isreal has had to deal with for many years, as well as other country's who have dealt with terrorism.


You could see this right away with how all the national and international press came out in strong support of Israel and cast a blanket condemnation on Hamas is their latest kurfuffle. Hamas is clearly an innocent victim of Israeli aggression , yet all the media was in lockstep support of Israel. That alone tells me Israel was responsible for slaughtering everyone in the twin towers.
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Re: 9/11

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:03 pm

To anyone who might think questioning the official story of the 9/11 attacks is just tinfoil-hat stuff, it isn't. Not at all. The 9/11 Commission Co-chairs, Senators, Congressmen, former CIA Officers, a former FBI Director, and all kinds of other people say we aren't being told the truth about 9/11.

Check it out -
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/ ... -hear.html

"Set up" to fail

The two co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, believe that the government established the Commission in a way that ensured that it would fail. In their book Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission describing their experience serving, Hamilton listed a number of reasons for reaching this conclusion, including: the late establishment of the Commission and the very short deadline imposed on its work; the insufficient funds (3 million dollars), initially allocated for conducting such an extensive investigation (later the Commission requested additional funds but received only a fraction of the funds requested and the chairs still felt hamstrung); the many politicians who opposed the establishment of the Commission; the continuing resistance and opposition to the work of the Commission by many politicians, particularly those who did not wish to be blamed for any of what happened; the deception of the Commission by various key government agencies, including the Department of Defense, NORAD and the FAA; and, the denial of access by various agencies to documents and witnesses. "So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail."

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Re: 9/11

Postby JustJeff » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:21 am

get louder at lambeau wrote:
JustJeff wrote:That site is a totally absurdity.


No idea how far over the top that site or their theory really is, but the website itself isn't the issue.===truncated===.


That's a lovely post, but it doesn't change the fact that the story and the site were nothing more than propaganda.

What I replied to was a fictiuous crock of crap. I have no interest in debating any of this.

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Re: 9/11

Postby yoop » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:42 am

GreenDay wrote:
yoop wrote:the twin tower attacks put more focus on terrorism world wide, and brought more sympathy to the plight Isreal has had to deal with for many years, as well as other country's who have dealt with terrorism.


You could see this right away with how all the national and international press came out in strong support of Israel and cast a blanket condemnation on Hamas is their latest kurfuffle. Hamas is clearly an innocent victim of Israeli aggression , yet all the media was in lockstep support of Israel. That alone tells me Israel was responsible for slaughtering everyone in the twin towers.


I'am not sure if this is sarcasm, or the ravings of a lunatic.
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