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WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:09 pm

Some, including the Pope, believe that World War 3 has already begun.
http://www.examiner.com/article/world-w ... lysts-warn
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Re: WWIII?

Postby Trudge » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:19 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:Some, including the Pope, believe that World War 3 has already begun.
http://www.examiner.com/article/world-w ... lysts-warn


I got that feeling a while back. With the growing instability in the Middle East I thought the Russian invasion of Ukraine was going to be the tipping point.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:02 pm

Trudge wrote:With the growing instability in the Middle East I thought the Russian invasion of Ukraine was going to be the tipping point.


And unfortunately, our corrupt Federal Government is deeply involved with both.

We destabilized the Middle East, allying ourselves with people like Saddam Hussein and later al Quaeda.



We also halped destabilize the Ukraine, allying ourselves with Neo-Nazi groups and backing a violent coup.

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Re: WWIII?

Postby wallyuwl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:07 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:
We destabilized the Middle East, allying ourselves with people like Saddam Hussein and later al Quaeda.

Yeah, because that part of the world had always been the beacon of stability until the big bad imperialistic USA intervened. :roll:
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:19 pm

wallyuwl wrote:
get louder at lambeau wrote:
We destabilized the Middle East, allying ourselves with people like Saddam Hussein and later al Quaeda.

Yeah, because that part of the world had always been the beacon of stability until the big bad imperialistic USA intervened. :roll:


Did you watch the video? If you have issues with what they portray as facts, please, bring some intelligent debate about those issues. This is worthy of debate, isn't it? Do you actually think the Middle East is MORE stable after all these decades of U.S. involvement?
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:09 pm

Meanwhile, back in the good ol' U.S.A, our wonderful Congress, with their well-earned 14% approval rating, just approved a bill to send MORE weapons to Syrian rebels. Because, last time we did that, we pretty much directly armed ISIS and allowed them to spread, so that seems like a great strategy.

Nothing the Middle East needs more than more weapons in the hands of Islamist militant groups, right? And nothing America needs more than deeper involvement in other countries' civil wars.

They did it as an attachment to a spending bill. :messedup

Rand Paul tries to talk some sense into them-
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Re: WWIII?

Postby Trudge » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:30 am

Routine or just pushing boundaries and testing the waters?

Six Russian military planes were intercepted by U.S. jets off Alaska's west coast on Wednesday evening, according to the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

NORAD said two F-22s took off from an undisclosed Alaska location to meet the Russian planes after they were spotted on radar entering the Alaska Air Defense Identification Zone. The AADIZ is an area – extending up to 200 miles from Alaska's coastline – in which, upon entering, unidentified planes are met and visually identified by U.S. military aircraft.

NORAD said the Russian planes -- two IL-78 refueling tankers, two MIG-31 fighters and two Bear long-range, nuclear capable bombers -- made a loop and returned to Russian airspace after being contacted by the NORAD planes. A day later, on Thursday, two more Russian long-range bombers were intercepted by Canadian CF-16s 40 nautical miles off that country's Arctic coastline.

"This is nothing new. The Russian aircraft did not violate sovereign airspace in either incident," said NORAD public affairs officer, Lt. Col. Michael Jazdyk.

The Wednesday contact is at least the second in as many months near Alaska. Over a 10-day period in late July and early August, Alaska-based fighter jets intercepted Russian jets inside the AADIZ 16 times.

Jazdyk said over the last five years, Alaska-based NORAD jets have intercepted more than 50 Russian bomber aircraft as they neared Alaska airspace.

"We assume it's just their normal training missions," Jazdyk said.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:54 pm

Trudge wrote:Routine or just pushing boundaries and testing the waters?


My guess? Some of each. Russia sees the US/NATO backed overthrow of the Ukraine government as aggression against Russia's interests, and all the subsequent sanctions after Russia invaded Ukraine as acts of war. They probably do these types of flights occasionally, but increase their frequency and size when they really want to send a message.

Also, our Government makes sure to push information to the media more when it suits their purposes. If they didn't want us to hear about it, we just wouldn't hear about it in the mainstream press at all. They would invoke their "States Secrets Privilege" or "National Security Interests" if need be, to keep us in the dark, like they have for a long time. If they WANT us to hear about it, they push stories like this out to the media to breed anti-Russian emotions (mainly fear), thoughts, and discussion out to the populace.

Our mainstream media is basically one big Government propaganda tool. We are allowed to see what those in charge of it want us to see. Our whole system is very, very corrupt. We all kinda know it deep down, but we will still rally around the flag when properly called to do so through information control tactics. We will send our sons to kill and die oversees, despite a long and clear history of our Government misleading us into war with lies, propaganda, and information control techniques.

Just last year they quietly repealed the decades-old law that said they weren't supposed to propagandize towards the American poluation -
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... _americans

Under the guise of "National Security," our Government is systematically taking away our rights, lying to us, and propagandizing towards us. By manipulating the information we get, they can "manufacture consent" for whatever policy they want. This is how you take a population that DOESN'T support war, and make it into a population that will support whatever war effort has already been decided upon.

This is not a new idea either. The British and our own politicians did this to get the US populace to back our entrance into "the European war" that Americans originally wanted no part in, which eventually became known as WWI. All kinds of lies were disseminated through the press, until the America people were finally convinced that there was a moral imperative for us to join the war effort. This is not the exception. It is the historical norm.

Our Government controls our thoughts through information control tactics before we have a chance to use those thoughts to control our Government through the democratic process. They can pretty much get us to agree with whatever they want us to agree, by manipulating and fabricating the information we are allowed to see. You will see a groundswell of public opinion in favor of any significant war right before it starts. They can manufacture our consent for their policies, and "We the People" are generally oblivious it.

Democracies can be, and generally are, controlled through manipulation of the collective public mind through propaganda techniques. Let the people think they have control, but influence their thoughts BEFORE they can even think how they would like to exercise their right to vote, which in aggregate is theoretically how the poeple controls the Government. Our country has worked this way since before you and I were alive, and it seems to have taken a very, very drastic turn for the worse as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming. We have the largest prison population in the world, whether measured by total size or per capita. Our Government can and does torture people and lock people up indefinitely without access to the due process we once trumpeted as proof of our just society. We are propagandized and outright lied to by our Government consistently. Our media has been consolidated to the point of being controlled by a small group of elites. Our supposedly Constitutionally-protected human rights are being legislated away or outright ignored. Our police are being militarized rapidly. The NSA/CIA/FBI etc. is becoming a much more advanced, much larger and more powerful version of the old Soviet KGB. Our President is apparently no longer constrained by separation of powers, to the point where he even has the power to unilaterally wage war. We seem to ALWAYS be attacking some other country in our vague and perpetual "war on terror". And public opinion now has "a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... U-S-Policy
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Re: WWIII?

Postby Beagle » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:35 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming.


Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?

The US is not even remotely becoming like that.

The problems between Ukraine and Russia stretch way back and really has nothing to do with the US.

We are really the world's only Super Power that can't seem to make anybody happy, no matter what we do.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby wallyuwl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:15 pm

Beagle wrote:
get louder at lambeau wrote:Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming.


Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?

The US is not even remotely becoming like that.


Ignorance is bliss for the anti-American crowd.




We are really the world's only Super Power that can't seem to make anybody happy, no matter what we do.


Which is why we should just butt out and mind our own business and let everyone else destroy each other if that is what they want to do.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:23 pm

wallyuwl wrote:
Beagle wrote:
get louder at lambeau wrote:Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming.


Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?

The US is not even remotely becoming like that.


Ignorance is bliss for the anti-American crowd.


Sad how someone with Doctorate-level education still consistently thinks in crayon. Being against bad policy and corrupt Governance doesn't make an American citizen anti-American. Just like being against Obama's policies doesn't make conservatives anti-American, and being against Bush's policies doesn't make liberals anti-American. Such an incredibly dumb thing to say.



We are really the world's only Super Power that can't seem to make anybody happy, no matter what we do.


Which is why we should just butt out and mind our own business and let everyone else destroy each other if that is what they want to do.


So, you agree with me, yet you have to throw your simple-minded insults out anyway. And you still haven't backed up your previous post either. How about you bring something with some substance for once, wally? Let's hear your thoughts.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:31 pm

Beagle wrote:
get louder at lambeau wrote:Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming.


Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?

The US is not even remotely becoming like that.


Good to hear your assurance, but it would count for more if you actually backed it up instead of just stating it as fact without evidence. How about bringing something to the discussion? Let's hear your comparisons.

The problems between Ukraine and Russia stretch way back and really has nothing to do with the US.


Again, maybe you could bring something to the discussion? Let's hear it. You can't really expect anyone to accept one-liner opinions of some anonymous guy online who doesn't back up anything he says, right? Fill us in. This site is here for debate. Go for it.

We are really the world's only Super Power that can't seem to make anybody happy, no matter what we do.


We are the world's ONLY Super Power, so yeah. :roll:

Hard to have a decent discussion about anything when all you get is defensive one-liners in response.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby Beagle » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:53 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:
Beagle wrote:
get louder at lambeau wrote:Think back to what they told us way back when about why the U.S.S.R was such an insidious evil that had to be stopped at all costs. Then compare it to what we are becoming.


Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?

The US is not even remotely becoming like that.


Good to hear your assurance, but it would count for more if you actually backed it up instead of just stating it as fact without evidence. How about bringing something to the discussion?


I asked you an actual question and you simply avoided it. Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?
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Re: WWIII?

Postby Ghost_Lombardi » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:22 pm

Beagle wrote:I asked you an actual question and you simply avoided it. Do you actually know a lot about the old Soviet Union? Do you know a lot about Lenin and Stalin?


Make your point, or don't, Beagle.

If you want to compare atrocities and human rights abuses during the 20th century between the USSR and the US, let's go ahead and start counting bodies, spilled blood, and destroyed lives. I'll be your Huckleberry. Let me guess, you read a few Robert Service biographies and now consider yourself an expert on all things Marxist.
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Re: WWIII?

Postby APB » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:04 am

The condescension and drive-by one-liners are doing nothing to further this discussion. Are you guys serious about sharing points of view or are you simply trying to show one another up?
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