Ebola: Is the end really here?

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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Beagle » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:13 pm

GreenDay wrote:
Pckfn23 wrote:FYI
Page 2 wrote:I agree, take all precautions we can


yoop, thank you for proving my point.



Yoop proved one of your points? Please elaborate


I think he is referring to "fear mongering". While panic is a ways off, IMO, there is still a need to do an accurate risk assessment otherwise we will end up making the same mistakes we made with HIV and the contamination of the blood supply.

If companies, blood banks, and taken a more cautious approach and had done proper screening and testing, the blood supply could have remained free from infection and contamination. But they did want to look prudent or look foolish for over reacting to something they did not quite understand. So, they let it slide and ended up needlessly infecting a lot of people, killing them and ultimately spreading the disease.

No need to panic but I think a very strong response is needed and it needs to done as quickly as possible. If they do not take this virus more seriously and do a proper and accurate risk assessment, then the virus will spread more quickly and people will die when it could have been prevented.
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby GreenDay » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:21 pm

I think the fact that the teams that have gone on airplanes and the people transporting patients are in full BSL4 gear with independently powered, positive air respirators properly underscores the caution required in handling this disease outbreak.

Generally, I think there is pretty decent caution, but some things are foolish, like depending on the virus being un-transmitttable until 'appearance of symptoms.' Or Obama saying he kissed and hugged docs who worked with patients, as though that's relevant.
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby GreenDay » Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:21 pm

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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Beagle » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:14 pm

Lord Ben wrote:It's probably the best thing we could do in all seriousness. The basic plan is called 70/70/60 and it was to have 70% of ebola patients properly cared for and 70% of burials done properly within 60 days (starting Oct 1) to contain it. It NEEDS a massive surge of manpower to stop the disease in it's tracks and if the Military is what it takes then it'll have to make the attempt.

Duncan came over when there was ~2000 reported cases of Ebola and has gotten 2 people sick so far. Now there is ~8-10k cases (just reported) in Africa and still spreading faster than we can stop it double every 3-4 weeks. That's 20k by November, 40k by early December, etc. It's assumed that the reported cases are only 1/2 to 1/3rd. So perhaps 200k people by the end of the year.

If we don't get a handle on this by the end of the year we're not going to.


I am not really sure this is a virus we can effectively eradicate until we get an actual vaccine. Since this virus is active in Monkeys and in fruit bats (I thought I heard pigs now have it, not sure though.) and a lot of these locals eat "bush meat" (monkey's and bats, etc...) we can really only contain it until then. Besides, most of the people who contract it, only show up to facilities after they have infected other people. It is spreading wildly before they come to facilities for treatment. Or rather, to die.

The real issue is setting up the proper facilities to handle Ebola and that is costly. Especially when the local population decides to loot the facilities and carry the used bedding and bloody sheets back to their slums. Other countries will have to pour billions into Africa and send over doctors and nurses in hopes that they can contain it.

By sending our army over there, IMO, it's like opening Pandora's Box. I actually understand why they are doing it but I can see this going very badly. Maybe they will get it worked out and it will be a success. I really don't know.

The other problem I see is that going into a country like this, you have to deal with "stupid" people who have no idea what is going on and they spread false information. Like they are currently doing. A lot of these people think the "foreigners" brought it with them. Then they gain anti-American sediment and pretty soon a suicide bomber shows up and blows the clinic sky high.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-arme ... -patients/
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby GreenDay » Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:16 pm

A lot of these people think the "foreigners" brought it with them. Then they gain anti-American sediment and pretty soon a suicide bomber shows up and blows the clinic sky high.


that's what happens when you invade
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Beagle » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:37 pm

Obama is calling up reservists from the National Guard now. I saw this in a movie once. The National Guard and reserves went in and a bunch came home in body bags. Oh yea, the movie was called Rambo. :wink:

http://rt.com/usa/196636-obama-national ... ght-ebola/

"The Defense Department is expected to send eight engineers and logistical specialists from the Guard ‒ both active-duty and reservists ‒ during the first deployment, sources told NBC News. They are likely to help build 17 Ebola treatment centers, with 100 beds apiece."
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby yoop » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:15 am

GreenDay wrote:
Pckfn23 wrote:FYI
Page 2 wrote:I agree, take all precautions we can


yoop, thank you for proving my point.



Yoop proved one of your points? Please elaborate


I didn't prove anything, I have no idea, or care to read back and find out either what Pckfn is talking about, but anyone in the camp thinking we have this under control, or that there isn'r anything to worry about, is being short sighted, we have no idea how many people across the world are exposed and carriers right now.

yes, we need to take precautions, but much better precautions then we've used thus far.
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby wallyuwl » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:54 am

yoop wrote:
I didn't prove anything, I have no idea


I'm just going to keep this to paste on every thread. :lol:
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby yoop » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:34 am

wallyuwl wrote:
yoop wrote:
I didn't prove anything, I have no idea


I'm just going to keep this to paste on every thread. :lol:


wouldn't be the first thing you've quoited out of context, but I did leave myself wide open :lol:
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby RodgePodge » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:20 pm

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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Beagle » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:24 pm

Well this is an interesting read and it brings up a point I never even thought of. What happens if the government in Liberia is overthrown, or ceases to function?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y ... -collapse/
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby RodgePodge » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:51 pm

Beagle wrote:Well this is an interesting read and it brings up a point I never even thought of. What happens if the government in Liberia is overthrown, or ceases to function?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y ... -collapse/


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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Lord Ben » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:40 am

CDC changed their guidelines on which protective gear to use with Ebola. More strict than last time.

Obvious conclusion? It was easier to spread than they thought.
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Lord Ben » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:47 am

Looks like NY has ebola. So does Mali.
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Re: Ebola: Is the end really here?

Postby Beagle » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:10 am

Lord Ben wrote:Looks like NY has ebola. So does Mali.


Mayor of New York says "no reason to be alarmed." :roll:
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