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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:22 pm

Here's a good article about the massive corruption that is the current norm in Washington, from the perspective of a politician -
http://time.com/3937860/gary-hart-america-corruption/

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The question is: By adhering to its highest principles and ideals, will America continue to have the moral authority to lead all people of goodwill? The answer remains to be seen. And that answer will have much to do with whether we have the courage to drive the money changers from the temple of democracy and recapture government of the people, for the people, and by the people.

In addition to the rise of the national security state, and the concentration of wealth and power in America, no development in modern times sets us apart more from the nation originally bequeathed to us than the rise of the special interest state. There is a Gresham’s law related to the republican ideal. Bad politics drives out good politics. Legalized corruption drives men and women of stature, honor, and dignity out of the halls of government. Self-respecting individuals cannot long tolerate a system of election and reelection so dependent on cultivating the favor of those known to expect access in return. Such a system is corrosive to the soul.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby flapackfan » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:08 pm

I have few solutions starting with term limits. Secondly, make everyone of the 535 elected representatives, live in their state/district. All Washington DC travel needs to be disclosed. Originally the opening sessions of the legislative calendar started in mid January because it may take new members of congress or President-elect may of needed 2 months to get to DC and get settled. In today's world there is no need for all elected reps. to congregate, creating a buffet for all special interest lobbyists. Thirdly, all judges are to serve 2 years on the bench on a revolving bases. Local attorney's would be enrolled into a pool. If you are not sure when/if you will be the one offering opinions of law you will probably want things to be in accordance of "word" of law, rather than the interpretation of an evolving law. After your term expires you go back to ambulance chasing.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:53 am

Here is a great look at exactly how the process of political corruption works in American politics today -

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local ... /27695105/
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby Waldo » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:08 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:Here is a great look at exactly how the process of political corruption works in American politics today -

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local ... /27695105/


Lol, ALEC. A Vote for an R at the state level is a vote for ALEC, period. ALEC's power among state R's is absolute.

Funny thing though, we are starting to enter an era IMHO with far less corruption. Its becoming harder and harder to keep big secrets. Everyone is a journalist with video proof. Almost nothing is hacker or whistleblower proof. All of these things that seem outrageous nowadays have always been going on, heck even worse, its just been far more exposed recently, hence it seems the rise in corruption (and stuff like police brutality).

The lightning fast free flow of information worldwide is a game changer. Its just so new though that its effects are slowly trickling in. Youtube is only 10 years old, Facebook (public) is only 9 years old, Twitter is only 9 years old, the smartphone only 8 years old. Add in adoption times; it really wasn't until around the time of Obama's reelection in 2012 that the flow of information nationally and worldwide is pretty much totally unimpeded. You can expect that there is always a camera on you; even though it isn't "big brother", its everyone that is watching, however unlike "big brother", your own access to that information is also unlimited.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:45 am

Waldo wrote:Funny thing though, we are starting to enter an era IMHO with far less corruption. Its becoming harder and harder to keep big secrets. Everyone is a journalist with video proof. Almost nothing is hacker or whistleblower proof. All of these things that seem outrageous nowadays have always been going on, heck even worse, its just been far more exposed recently, hence it seems the rise in corruption (and stuff like police brutality).

The lightning fast free flow of information worldwide is a game changer. Its just so new though that its effects are slowly trickling in. Youtube is only 10 years old, Facebook (public) is only 9 years old, Twitter is only 9 years old, the smartphone only 8 years old. Add in adoption times; it really wasn't until around the time of Obama's reelection in 2012 that the flow of information nationally and worldwide is pretty much totally unimpeded. You can expect that there is always a camera on you; even though it isn't "big brother", its everyone that is watching, however unlike "big brother", your own access to that information is also unlimited.


I agree, mostly. But I am not as hopeful as you are. Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are the frontrunners for the Presidency. Pick what's behind door #1 or door # 2, and either way, that is not the doorway to an era with far less corruption.

How many people know George W. and Jeb's other brother Marvin, and what his job was leading up to 9/11? In an era with far less corruption, we would all know. And Jeb's poll numbers would NEVER recover.

Just watch a minute or two of this starting at 1:03:55 -


When John Q. Public knows about that, and has a chance to adjust his world view accordingly, then I will believe that we are entering an era of far less corruption.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:30 pm

Former President Jimmy Carter -

It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for President or being elected President. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we’ve just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. …

At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell.”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-0 ... al-bribery
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby yoop » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:23 pm

get louder at lambeau wrote:Former President Jimmy Carter -

“It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for President or being elected President. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we’ve just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. …

At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell.”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-0 ... al-bribery



just read the article, Carter drives home a point we all new was happening if your honest with yourself, Corporate has been running the Gov for years, unions have asked members since the early 70's to contribute to political action funds to try and compete with Corporate election finances, often winning.

so corporate, after all being the people with the brains, increased it's focus on destroying union power, and taking limits off financial contributions, who's pockets are deeper, obviously if you decrease union labor, political action funds dwindle, thus tipping the scale, enough anyway to give corporate and the elite rich the uppper hand with campaign finance.

the media does the rest, they dress these puppets up, where feed whatever it takes to win our vote, and wonder for 4 years later why the president we elected didn't do anything he said he would or could do when running for the job.

I suppose what pisses me off the most, is that now there just laughing in our face about it, the corporate rich cats won, our elections are now controlled (and have been) by Corporate America, and Corporate America couldn't care less about you and me, Carter made some good points.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:29 am

Politicians from Both Sides of the Aisle: Corruption Has Destroyed America -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-0 ... ed-america
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby Stevedore » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:27 am

Great video.

A nationwide General Strike would probably be the only way to get the governments attention; sadly though, this country lost it's balls a long time ago.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby get louder at lambeau » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:48 pm

The CIA tortured innocent people, then unconstitutionally spied on the Senate Intelligence Committee while they were looking into it, then CIA Director John Brennan lied to Congress about spying on them. Brennan later admitted to it. Senate Intelligence Committee member Mark Udall called for Brennan's resignation -

“The CIA has lied to its overseers and the public, destroyed and tried to hold back evidence, spied on the Senate, made false charges against our staff and lied about torture and the results of torture. And no one has been held to account,” Udall complained. “There are right now people serving in high-level positions at the agency who approved, directed or committed acts related to the CIA’s detention and interrogation program. It’s bad enough not to prosecute these officials, but to reward or promote them and risk the integrity of the U.S. government to protect them is incomprehensible.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/m ... z3hxmem34l


Brennan is still CIA Director, and has not faced any punishment at all over a year later, but Udall is not, having been ousted in the last election cycle.

The Inspector General of the CIA who produced a damning report on Brennan and the CIA, David Buckley, isn't in his post anymore either. He resigned in January of this year after a Brennan-appointed-committee reversed his decision. Yep, the guy who is damned by the report for unconstitutionally lying to the Senate committee that oversees him and his agency got to appoint his own "accountability board". Then the IG resigned.

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/pr ... dings.html

Now, over six months after the last Inspector General resigned, his office still remains vacant. Obama hasn't even suggested anyone to replace him yet.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, in June urged Obama in a letter to nominate a new inspector general “as soon as possible,” so a Senate-confirmed official can oversee what she described as “highly sensitive investigations of interest to the committee.”

But the White House has yet to even respond to the letter, or float any names of a possible nominee, another indicator of what watchdog groups say is a troubling resistance on the administration’s part to aggressive oversight and accountability throughout the government, but especially within the intelligence community.

“This is extremely significant … and it’s discouraging,” said Steve Aftergood, an analyst who tracks U.S. intelligence agencies for the Federation of American Scientists. “The inspectors general at the intelligence agencies are even more important than [at] other agencies because the majority of their work is classified — and so they don’t get the same kind of oversight as elsewhere in the government. The [intelligence agency] inspectors general have also been the eyes and ears for Congress, so without a strong IG in place, the oversight committees are at least partially blinded.”


https://www.yahoo.com/politics/white-ho ... 27661.html

So, in summary, the torture whistleblower went to prison. The Inspector General who outed CIA misconduct resigned. The Senator on the Intelligence Committee who called for the CIA Director's resignation is no longer in office. But no one at the CIA was held responsible at all.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby Stevedore » Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:24 am

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Re: Corruption In America

Postby Waldo » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:16 pm

Stevedore wrote:http://www.occupydemocrats.com/bernie-sanders-calls-out-18-corrupt-ceos-for-stealing-trillions-outsourcing-jobs-and-evading-taxes/


It isn't hard to see why Sanders is incredibly popular and draws huge crowds. No politician tells it like it is better than he does. He's been at this a long time, he's the one that outed the Koch agenda back during the Tea Party rise and how they basically took over the movement.

Even if he has no chance to actually become elected, more actual substance comes out of his mouth than the rest of the presidential field on both sides, combined. Ideas are far more powerful than individuals, the movement that he is a part of and leads will have far reaching effects; its akin to the early Tea Party (pre-Koch/Faux), but more contained and restrained.

Hillary has moved to the left since she ran against Obama (who was at that time left of her), but I think she underestimated just how powerful the left flank has become.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby wallyuwl » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:32 am

It isn't hard to see why Sanders is incredibly popular and draws huge crowds. No politician tells it like it is better than he does.


Trump.

Hillary has moved to the left since she ran against Obama (who was at that time left of her), but I think she underestimated just how powerful the left flank has become.


The "mainstream" Democratic party is now far left. Moderates are ran off. It has been moving that way since the middle of the Clinton (Bill) White House years and has accelerated immensely since 2006 or so when Pelosi took over as Speaker.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby Trudge » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:14 am

wallyuwl wrote:
It isn't hard to see why Sanders is incredibly popular and draws huge crowds. No politician tells it like it is better than he does.


Trump.


I have to disagree somewhat here with you. Trump says quite a bit, the one thing I do like about him is he's got no filter. The knock that he has that Bernie doesn't when talking about this is he's a bit misguided and probably ignorant of the inner workings of what goes on in Congress. Bernie knows, he's got the track record of voting with the public opinion and he's been calling it out for a while now.
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Re: Corruption In America

Postby wallyuwl » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:13 pm

Trudge wrote:
wallyuwl wrote:
It isn't hard to see why Sanders is incredibly popular and draws huge crowds. No politician tells it like it is better than he does.


Trump.


I have to disagree somewhat here with you. Trump says quite a bit, the one thing I do like about him is he's got no filter. The knock that he has that Bernie doesn't when talking about this is he's a bit misguided and probably ignorant of the inner workings of what goes on in Congress. Bernie knows, he's got the track record of voting with the public opinion and he's been calling it out for a while now.


Trump doesn't know the inner-workings of Congress because he hasn't been there, but he certainly is in line with public opinion on most issues.
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