Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Pckfn23 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:10 pm

flapackfan wrote:Wow, I had no idea that there are associated health risks with work, based on how many hours performed? I guess I am lucky to be alive.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/diet-fitn ... ds-n365276

Of course the reality is that the percentage of able bodied people active in the work force is at the lowest levels in the past 50 years and now 30% of America is clinically obese.

This right here is a perfect example of a straw man argument. It is pointless and only serves to distract from the actual conversation.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Waldo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:28 pm

I don't see what the issue is with retail employees, but factory???

Any job where fatigue can lead to greater incidences of self or others injury should have hours and consecutive workdays limited to what can be safely maintained. This certainly applies to some factory work (I say this as someone who had a bad injury in a factory long ago).

I certainly hope the insurance industry steps up here and jacks workers comp rates through the roof if the change is causing an increase in unsafe working conditions.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby flapackfan » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:26 pm

Growing up working on the farm, you know what we called the 50th work hour(summer hours)of the week? Thursday!

BTW, when you accuse me of being narrow minded, watch where you point your finger. If you look closely you may notice 3 pointing back at you.

Strawman?????? I wasn't the one to associate work hours with health concerns.

Maybe, it is my fault not realizing many tend to confuse activity with achievement.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Waldo » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:53 pm

flapackfan wrote:Growing up working on the farm, you know what we called the 50th work hour(summer hours)of the week? Thursday!


That's great.

How safe would you feel driving down the interstate if that's how all the truckers approached their jobs.

I'm missing the tips of two of my fingers because factories can be very unsafe places; I'm lucky it wasn't far worse.

Sometimes people have to be protected from themselves.

LIS, retail work, who cares. But when there is real risk for yourself and others, as is the case for factory work, fatigue matters a lot.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Pckfn23 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:59 pm

flapackfan wrote:Growing up working on the farm, you know what we called the 50th work hour(summer hours)of the week? Thursday!

You make the ignorant assumption that you are the only person who grew up working on a farm and that only you and your ilk know what hard work is...

BTW, when you accuse me of being narrow minded, watch where you point your finger. If you look closely you may notice 3 pointing back at you.
I know it is tough to keep multiple conversations going at once, but no one said you were narrow-minded in this thread.

Strawman?????? I wasn't the one to associate work hours with health concerns.

Yes, as your bringing up of obesity has no bearing on health concerns related to number of work hours. You seem to be passive aggressively saying that less work hours is the reason our obesity rate is high.
American's work on average of about 47 hours per week - http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccart ... -47-hours/
Since 1970's the work week have been gradually getting longer - http://www.statista.com/chart/2812/amer ... -the-most/
Obesity rate have gone way up since 1970's - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/ ... D420140904
More obesity rising charts - http://www.muscleforlife.com/why-people-are-fat/
Longer work hours tend to mean more overweight people, in direct contrast to your assumption - http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexch ... king-hours
Maybe, it is my fault not realizing many tend to confuse activity with achievement.

As you are doing.

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public ... 104895.pdf - read if you want to educate yourself on the subject.

Study on health impact from working long hours - http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalv ... -kill-you/

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2004-143/ -
his report provides an integrative review of 52 recently published research reports that examine the associations between long working hours and illnesses, injuries, health behaviors, and performance.


More research on negative health impacts from long hours and more days - http://www.businessinsider.com/why-work ... ou-2013-11
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby flapackfan » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:27 pm

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen prove that they are insured, but doesn't require every person to prove they are a citizen. Many who can't prove they are citizens will receive free insurance from those that are citizens.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Pckfn23 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:40 pm

flapackfan wrote:http://www.refinery29.com/2013/09/53353/work-health-happiness

http://www.thehonestapothecary.com/2013 ... hard-work/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... d-you.html

http://99u.com/articles/6623/hard-work- ... t-good-for


I see your study, and raise you research.


You should have folded, because you just got caught bluffing. Not one of your links of "research" talks anything about long hours (48 or more a week) or more than 5 work days a week. 3 out of 4 of them held no empirical research what-so-ever. They all simply talk about "Hard Work," not even close to the point

The only link that held any research was limited to this:
A study found that almost three-quarters of working women aged 55 to 75 described their health as good, compared with less than half of those who had retired.
The research, carried out by the Government's Department of Work and Pensions, also revealed that working men of the same age were healthier than those who had stopped work.

Nothing to do with overwork...

The original quote you had issue with and someone got confused over:
Not to mention the Heath issues with working more than 50 hours a week.

Now can you actually debate that or will you continue to throw up more strawmen arguments? Overwork is the discussion, not hard work...
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby wallyuwl » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:23 am

raptorman wrote:
wallyuwl wrote:So not needing state approval for a seventh workday is a bad thing? Geese...

And if paid hourly, over 40 hours gets 1.5 times wages it is federal law. So enough with the gear mongering.

No, no, no! If this had been done by the Dems it would be considered a boon to the worker that they could now take on more hours and make more money. If I remember right, WI was the only state that had this type of law. And of course in all the other 56 states employers are taking advantage of their employee's by forcing them to work 7 days a week.


I see what you did there. :banana
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Lord Ben » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:15 pm

Waldo wrote:I don't see what the issue is with retail employees, but factory???

Any job where fatigue can lead to greater incidences of self or others injury should have hours and consecutive workdays limited to what can be safely maintained. This certainly applies to some factory work (I say this as someone who had a bad injury in a factory long ago).

I certainly hope the insurance industry steps up here and jacks workers comp rates through the roof if the change is causing an increase in unsafe working conditions.


It's probably worse for them to work 8-4 six days and a 4-midnight the seventh because some stupid rule says they have to have 24h off in a row during the calendar week.

You always could get 7 days as long as you had 24 in a row off. You could even do 12 days as long as the first day of one calendar week and the last day of the second calendar week were your two off. It's a silly bookkeeping rule that prevented people from working the schedule they wanted more than it did to stop people from abusing employees (which hasn't happened in every other job category out there that wasn't either in this category or under one of the waivers, which was almost anyone who asked basically).
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Beagle » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:09 pm

Well, these rules certainly don't apply to the military! We did 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for weeks, sometimes months at a crack. In an environment that was extremely dangerous.

The sad part is that WI charged it's veterans State Taxes, even though we had about as much to do with WI as we did to any other state. We should have been exempt.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby APB » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:44 pm

Beagle wrote:Well, these rules certainly don't apply to the military! We did 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for weeks, sometimes months at a crack. In an environment that was extremely dangerous.

The sad part is that WI charged it's veterans State Taxes, even though we had about as much to do with WI as we did to any other state. We should have been exempt.

Yep. On my 15 month Iraq tour, I had a 30 day mid-tour leave at about the eight month mark. Prior to my leave I worked every day. Upon return from my leave I worked every day. This, while flying a helicopter in a desert environment combat zone.

Don't get me wrong, I chose that profession and, quite honestly, would have rather been on duty performing my job than sitting around sulking about home. Point is, this "health risk" angle is being waaaaaay overplayed IMO.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Beagle » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:16 pm

APB wrote:Yep. On my 15 month Iraq tour, I had a 30 day mid-tour leave at about the eight month mark. Prior to my leave I worked every day. Upon return from my leave I worked every day. This, while flying a helicopter in a desert environment combat zone.

Don't get me wrong, I chose that profession and, quite honestly, would have rather been on duty performing my job than sitting around sulking about home. Point is, this "health risk" angle is being waaaaaay overplayed IMO.


Agree completely.
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby Lord Ben » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:34 pm

APB wrote:
Beagle wrote:Well, these rules certainly don't apply to the military! We did 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for weeks, sometimes months at a crack. In an environment that was extremely dangerous.

The sad part is that WI charged it's veterans State Taxes, even though we had about as much to do with WI as we did to any other state. We should have been exempt.

Yep. On my 15 month Iraq tour, I had a 30 day mid-tour leave at about the eight month mark. Prior to my leave I worked every day. Upon return from my leave I worked every day. This, while flying a helicopter in a desert environment combat zone.

Don't get me wrong, I chose that profession and, quite honestly, would have rather been on duty performing my job than sitting around sulking about home. Point is, this "health risk" angle is being waaaaaay overplayed IMO.


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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby RodgePodge » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:26 am

lol liberals
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Re: Wisconsin Says A 7 Day Work Week Is Now Legal

Postby raptorman » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:54 am

Lord Ben wrote:You're a true American Hero! Just like Caitlyn Jenner! :)

Caitlyn Who?

Waldo wrote:That's great.

How safe would you feel driving down the interstate if that's how all the truckers approached their jobs.


Truckers hours are limited by federal law to 60/70 hours in a 7/8 day work period.

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