Is America To Blame?

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Is America To Blame?

Postby get louder at lambeau » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:37 pm

Blame America? No, Blame Neocons!
written by Ron Paul - Sunday September 20, 2015

Is the current refugee crisis gripping the European Union “all America’s fault”? That is how my critique of US foreign policy was characterized in a recent interview on the Fox Business Channel. I do not blame the host for making this claim, but I think it is important to clarify the point.

It has become common to discount any criticism of US foreign policy as “blaming America first.” It is a convenient way of avoiding a real discussion. If aggressive US policy in the Middle East – for example in Iraq – results in the creation of terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda in Iraq, is pointing out the unintended consequences of bad policy blaming America? Is it “blaming America” to point out that blowback – like we saw on 9/11 – can be the result of unwise US foreign policy actions like stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia?

In the Fox interview I pointed out that the current refugee crisis is largely caused by bad US foreign policy actions. The US government decides on regime change for a particular country – in this case, Syria – destabilizes the government, causes social chaos, and destroys the economy, and we are supposed to be surprised that so many people are desperate to leave? Is pointing this out blaming America, or is it blaming that part of the US government that makes such foolish policies?

Accusing those who criticize US foreign policy of “blaming America” is pretty selective, however. Such accusations are never leveled at those who criticize a US pullback. For example, most neocons argue that the current crisis in Iraq is all Obama’s fault for pulling US troops out of the country. Are they “blaming America first” for the mess? No one ever says that. Just like they never explain why the troops were removed from Iraq: the US demanded complete immunity for troops and contractors and the Iraqi government refused.

Iraq was not a stable country when the US withdrew its troops anyway. As soon as the US stopped paying the Sunnis not to attack the Iraqi government, they started attacking the Iraqi government. Why? Because the US attack on Iraq led to a government that was closely allied to Iran and the Sunnis could not live with that! It was not the US withdrawal from Iraq that created the current instability but the invasion. The same is true with US regime change policy toward Syria. How many Syrians were streaming out of Syria before US support for Islamist rebels there made the country unlivable? Is pointing out this consequence of bad US policy also blaming America first?

Last year I was asked by another Fox program whether I was not “blaming America” when I criticized the increasingly confrontational US stand toward Russia. Here’s how I put it then:
I don't blame America. I am America, you are America. I don't blame you. I blame bad policy. I blame the interventionists. I blame the neoconservatives who preach this stuff, who believe in it like a religion -- that they have to promote American goodness even if you have to bomb and kill people.
In short, I don’t blame America; I blame neocons. ... e-neocons/
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Re: Is America To Blame?

Postby Lord Ben » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:51 am

It's fair to assign blame where it's due but it's also fair to ask why the refugees are leaving now and not last year or 5 years ago or 12 years ago. Also it's fair to ask what should have been done differently to avoid it besides just saying "War causes refugees" and ignoring a million shades of variations in between.

Was it caused by intervention? Maybe, but not all refugee situations are cause by military intervention, some are caused by the lack of it or ended with it.
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Re: Is America To Blame?

Postby Papa John » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:38 am

Yes, yes, of course yes. Doesn't even matter what this question is in regards to- America is bad and always worthy of blame!!
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Re: Is America To Blame?

Postby Beagle » Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:39 am

Papa John wrote:Yes, yes, of course yes. Doesn't even matter what this question is in regards to- America is bad and always worthy of blame!!
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